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To promote mathematical discussions about the Rubik's Cube and related puzzles.enOptimal solutions to the Eliac puzzle
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The Eliac is a complex deep-cut 2-gen circle puzzle:<br />
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<img src='https://i.imgur.com/b5lE2kw.png' width=300><br />
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The left circle rotates in increments of 90 degrees and the right circle rotates only by 180 degrees. There is a simulator of the puzzle <a href='https://www.stringham.me/eliac/'>here</a>.<br />
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Using ksolve++ I made an optimal solver modified it slightly to turn it into a coset solver. The subgroup I used for the coset solver is the subgroup of positions where the 18 small triangles, 10 diamonds, and 2 squares are solved. There are 1600300800 arrangements of those 30 pieces and each coset has 3024000 solvable positions. Unfortunately since the puzzle is 2-gen, there isn't a good way to select a subgroup generated by a subset of the generators of the whole puzzle, which (as far as I can tell) is what is required in order to make the "pre-pass" trick work for sub-optimally solving cosets very quickly. So each coset needs to be solved optimally using a pure DFS, which takes quite a long time (about 1.5 hours on my laptop). Notice that the puzzle has a horizontal reflection symmetry so we only need to solve one coset in each symmetry class.Sat, 18 May 2019 17:13:03 -0400Remember to use http://forum.cubeman.org
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Hi folks,<br />
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This is a notice that http://cubezzz.dyndns.org/drupal will probably stop working tomorrow. Please use http://forum.cubeman.org instead.<br />
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More news to come soon.Sun, 12 May 2019 20:58:33 -0400{4,3,3} 3 symmetry
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Hello, I am new to this forum and this is my first post. I know that maybe its content will seem trivial to some of you, but I am afraid that I am not so well versed in mathematics and programming, so I try to do at least something within my limited capabilities (I am 15.34 at the moment). <br><br />
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Based on Dan Hoey’s calculations, I was able to calculate the number of essentially different positions up to symmetry of the four-dimensional analogue of the Rubik’s cube. However, it is quite probable that I have made some mistakes, as I have done it only by hand. Nevertheless, from the patterns observed I was able to make some interesting generalizations, presented later in this post.Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:09:21 -0500The 2018 Computer Fewest Moves Challenge is Underway
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For the first time, the FMC will have solvers in the "NxNxN" category for up to 9x9x9 competing to solve 10 random scrambles in as few moves as possible. Also of note: There are now four solvers in the 5x5x5 section.<br />
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For those who are interested, visit:<br />
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http://cubesolvingprograms.freeforums.net/Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:53:28 -0400Lower bound for the diameter of the 3-gen subgroup <U,F,R>
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What are the known bounds for the diameter of this subgroup? <a href='http://cubezzz.duckdns.org/drupal/?q=node/view/190'>This thread</a> gives a lower bound of 26 QTM but doesn't discuss HTM. I seem to recall a lower bound of 20 HTM from somewhere, but no upper bound. However, I recently found a position that requires 21 HTM:
<pre>U R F2 R U2 F2 U' F' R U F U R' F R2 U F R U2 R F'</pre>
Is this the first one known? Out of all 186624 positions with all pieces correctly permuted, this position and the inverse are the only ones requiring 21. Here's the full distribution:
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Depth PositionsSun, 02 Sep 2018 23:00:35 -0400Mad Octahedron
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<p align="justify">I have written a computer simulation of the octahedral twisty puzzle. It is available as freeware on the Apple App Store:</p>
<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/hr/app/mad-octahedron/id1400458838?mt=12" target="_parent">Mad Octahedron</a>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:47:47 -0400Future URL recommendation for the forum
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Hello everybody :)<br />
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In the future I think it would be a good idea if we all used URLs of the form:<br><br />
http://forum.cubeman.org/?q=node/view/563#comment<br><br />
rather than<br><br />
http://cubezzz.dyndns.org/?q=node/view/563#comment<br><br />
dyndns.org has raised their prices every year and I'm considering <br />
dropping their service. Unfortunately if we do that a lot of old URLs will stop <br />
working, so I'm open to any clever ideas on what is the best way to deal with <br />
this problem. I'm committed to keeping the maxhost.org and <br />
cubeman.org domain names working for the long term, but<br />
I'm very unhappy with dyndns.Tue, 08 May 2018 17:47:42 -0400Three Million Positions in Four Metrics
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I optimally solved three million positions in four distinct metrics.<br />
These positions are distinct from the three million positions I ran<br />
some years back. Random numbers were generated with the Mersenne<br />
Twister algorithm. The four metrics I ran were quarter-turn metric,<br />
half-turn metric, slice-turn metric, and axial-turn metric (equivalent<br />
to the robot-turn or simultaneous-turn metric on the 3x3 cube).<br />
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The generators for each metric are strict super- or sub-sets of the<br />
generators for the other metrics. The quarter-turn metric has 12<br />
generators, the half-turn metric has 18 generators, the slice-turnMon, 23 Apr 2018 11:52:52 -0400Presentation for the Mathieu Group M24 from dedge superflip
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Following on from a highly symmetric presentation I supplied for the miniature Rubiks cube group
<a href="http://cubezzz.homelinux.org/drupal/?q=node/view/177">Presentation for the 2x2x2 Rubiks cube group</a>
I investigated whether the Mathieu Group M24 could be similarily presented taking full advantage of the
plentiful symmetry inherent in the Rubiks Revenge cube (4x4x4). The answer was indeed yes - here is the presentation I found - again on three involutions:
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<p style="font-size:17px;color:grey"
<pre><b>< a,b,c | a<sup>2</sup> = b<sup>2</sup> = c<sup>2</sup> = 1,
<p style="font-size:17px;color:magenta"
<b> (ab)<sup>6</sup> = [(bc)<sup>6</sup>] = [(ca)<sup>6</sup>] = 1,
<p style="font-size:17px;color:red"
<b> bacabacacabacababacabac = 1,
<p style="font-size:17px;color:green"
<b> (ababacbc)<sup>3</sup> = 1,
<p style="font-size:17px;color:blue"
<b> bababcbcbcbabab = cacabacacabacac</b> >
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</pre>Sat, 21 Apr 2018 11:25:04 -0400Gear cube extreme can be solved in 25 moves
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Write the puzzle as the group <R,F,U,D> where R and F are 180 degree moves. We use a two-phase algorithm to first reduce the state of the puzzle to the subgroup <R3,F3,U,D>, and then finish the solve in the second phase. The subgroup <R3,F3,U,D> is the group of all positions where all of the gears are oriented, because R3 is the same as R' except the gear orientation remains unchanged.<br><br>
The first phase is easy to compute. There are only 3^8 = 6561 positions because each gear has only 3 different orientations, despite having 6 teeth.<br><br>
Phase 1 distribution:
<pre>Depth New Total
0 1 1
1 4 5
2 8 13
3 78 91
4 102 193
5 1064 1257
6 920 2177
7 3576 5753
8 592 6345
9 216 6561
10 0 6561</pre>
The second phase is harder. The number of positions is 24*8!^2/2 = 19,508,428,800, since it turns out that the permutation of the 3 unfixed edges on the E slice is completely determined by the permutation of the centres. This phase was solved with a BFS and took around 7 and a half hours to complete.Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:07:51 -0500Kilominx can be solved in 34 moves
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Last night, I found <a href='https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/kilominx-gods-number-bounds.67278/'>this thread</a> on the speedsolving forums which proves an upper bound of 46 moves. First, the puzzle is separated into two halves, which takes at most 6 moves. Each half is then solved in at most 20 moves (= 7 moves for orientation + 13 moves for permutation, after orientation is solved), for a total of 6+2*(7+13) = 46. xyzzy writes
<pre>The ⟨U,R,F⟩ subgroup, while much smaller than G_0, is still pretty large, having 36 billion states. It's small enough that a
full breadth-first search can be done if symmetry+antisymmetry reduction is used, but I will leave this for another time.</pre>Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:58:51 -05005x5 sliding puzzle can be solved in 205 moves
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Consider a 5x5 sliding puzzle with the solved state
<pre> 1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 </pre>
We can solve the puzzle in three steps. First solve 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, then solve 8,9,10,11,12,16,17,21,22, and finally solve the 8 puzzle in the bottom right corner.
Step 1 requires 91 moves:
<pre>depth new total
0 18 18
1 6 24
2 13 37
3 27 64
4 54 118
5 117 235
6 231 466
7 443 909Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:46:05 -0500God's algorithm for the <2R, U> subset of the 4x4 cube
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Here I'm using sign notation, so 2R is the inner slice only. There are 10 edges, 10 centres in sets of 2, 2, 2 and 4, and 4 permutations of the corner pieces for a total of 4*10!*10!/(2!2!2!4!) = 274,337,280,000 positions. From July 4th 2017 to July 6th 2017, I ran a complete breadth first search of this puzzle in around 60 hours. God's number is 28.
<pre>Depth New Total
0 1 1
1 6 7
2 18 25
3 54 79
4 162 241
5 486 727
6 1457 2184
7 4360 6544Wed, 24 Jan 2018 22:00:30 -0500Do we have a 3x3x3 optimal solver for stm metric?
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I thought it might be interesting to run an optimal solver using the slice turn metric (including face turns) on some pretty patterns. I don't remember anyone releasing an optimal solver that uses stm but maybe there is one by now? <br />
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Also is it true we don't know if using slice turns plus face turns could reduce God's Number from 20 to less than 20?Thu, 10 Aug 2017 07:52:23 -0400More details about my new program
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<p>
<strong>Introduction</strong>
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On 02/23/2016, I posted a message about a new program I had developed that had succeeded in
enumerating the complete search space for the edges only group. It was not a new result because Tom Rokicki
had solved the same problem back in 2004, but it was important to me because the problem served as a testbed
for some new ideas I was developing to attack the problem of the full cube.
I am now in the process of adapting the new program to include both edges and corners.
In this message, I will include some additional detail about my new program that was not included in the first message.
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